Posts by Sugar Shane

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Too restricting + more

by jdash in

good news or bad news first?

i'll do bad.. my grandmother is becoming more and more strict as i turn closer to 18, which is in 3 months.

i ask for the most simplest thing and it's like "let me think about it" i don't wanna seem as a complainer to you guys but i just want to be normal.

Sugar Shane

This:

https://www.artofmanliness.com/articles/blow-up-your-relationship-with-your-mother-and-get-one-step-closer-to-being-the-man-you-want-to-be/

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Does anyone know of this guy, or agree with his statements on racial differences in IQ?

by Sugar Shane in

here are some quotes by the guy, from his youtube channel.

his name is stefan molyneux, and he’s apparently popular among the alt-right crowd.

he’s also widely quoted on these discussion boards, by certain ex-jws, who use him to help promote their political views.

Sugar Shane

Typically your reaction is to run away shouting insults over your shoulder as you go..

Hey, when I gotta go I gotta go.

Btw, Penguins of Madagascar is hardly an insult. I kinda like those guys. But yeah, I don’t know that I’ve resorted to personal name calling on this (particular) thread. Words like Lib-tard, idiot, dolt, dumbfuck, Trumptard, RINO, left-wing nut job, right-wing nut job...I’ve tried to leave out of the dialogue. But hey, if catch me on it, call me out, and I’ll clean it up. I HAVE used the term Alt-right, and fascist, but not against anyone personally here, on the thread.

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Does anyone know of this guy, or agree with his statements on racial differences in IQ?

by Sugar Shane in

here are some quotes by the guy, from his youtube channel.

his name is stefan molyneux, and he’s apparently popular among the alt-right crowd.

he’s also widely quoted on these discussion boards, by certain ex-jws, who use him to help promote their political views.

Sugar Shane

Simon—

Good, Then we can agree that limited immigration from certain countries based on low IQ points. Or saying that immigrants from these countries are bound to fail, as Molyneux argues, is just pure hogwash.

Maybe we can agree that the gang-bangers in the ‘rough’ parts of Detroit, Los Angeles, could do much better in the right environment. Likewise, we should agree that immigrants from countries like Zimbabwe, or Nigeria, both countries with high grad rates could do quite well, and NOT fail at all, in more developed countries. They might even contribute greatly, as Dr. Benet Omalu did with his research on concussions.

As the poster, Recovey, and others have pointed out, IQ research is full of so much bias as to make the whole concept of measurable intelligence a joke. Sooo...when guys like Molybeux spew forth statements about IQ this, or IQ that, then we should dismiss it outright, because the foundation is too weak.

So, I probably have you worked up now. Relax. We’re all in this race together. If you REALLY feel strongly about sonething. Go volunteer. If you have certain views on politics, or whatever, then start a YouChannel.

I’m out. You guys can keep back-slappin,’ and high fiving each other like the penguins of Madagascar. I’ve gotta go preflight a big assed Boeing. Cheers.

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Does anyone know of this guy, or agree with his statements on racial differences in IQ?

by Sugar Shane in

here are some quotes by the guy, from his youtube channel.

his name is stefan molyneux, and he’s apparently popular among the alt-right crowd.

he’s also widely quoted on these discussion boards, by certain ex-jws, who use him to help promote their political views.

Sugar Shane

Simon to Recovering—

“I'm pretty sure you could still match shapes and things.”

...hmm

Simon to me—

“Thanks, so you accept that people are different. But can't accept that groups can be different?”

🙄 Here we go again.

Yes, I’ve agreed on earlier posts that there are cultural differences, that we are born into, that can create differences. These differences might include access to education, health habits, parenting styles...any number of things. I’ve never said otherwise.

Key word: cultural.

As for the education aspect, here’s an article worth reading about immigrants from Africa:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bloomberg.com/amp/view/articles/2018-01-12/africa-is-sending-us-its-best-and-brightest

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Does anyone know of this guy, or agree with his statements on racial differences in IQ?

by Sugar Shane in

here are some quotes by the guy, from his youtube channel.

his name is stefan molyneux, and he’s apparently popular among the alt-right crowd.

he’s also widely quoted on these discussion boards, by certain ex-jws, who use him to help promote their political views.

Sugar Shane

I am surprised that no one has pointed out how most IQ tests have built in bias . This is unintentional and is hard to negate. The tests often test not intellectual potential ,but what has already been learned.

Good point. I wonder if that kind of bias could’ve been a factor in Dr. JP Ruston’s claims of race & IQ.

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Does anyone know of this guy, or agree with his statements on racial differences in IQ?

by Sugar Shane in

here are some quotes by the guy, from his youtube channel.

his name is stefan molyneux, and he’s apparently popular among the alt-right crowd.

he’s also widely quoted on these discussion boards, by certain ex-jws, who use him to help promote their political views.

Sugar Shane

Simon said this—

You also quoted the famous line: “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal...”
What do you think this means? Does it mean that all people are identical? That all people can achieve the same things?

What do I think it means??? There’s no “think” about it. It’s crystal clear. Here’s the entire passage by Jefferson:

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”

It says NOTHING about people being identical. It’s not about entitlement, but rather getting a fair shot at the American dream if you’re willing to work hard and play by the rules. Don’t make excuses, just man-up and work hard. All men should have THAT opportunity. The opportunity to make something of themselves. NOT the opportunity to be HAPPY, rather the opportunity to PURSUE happiness. All men stand on equal footing in pursuit of that goal.

Take my grandfather for example. He came home from WW2 minus his right leg. Thanks to the GI Bill, he was able to attend college and eventually open his own business. Of course he wasn’t “identical” to his classmates, but he was given the chance to compete and the OPPORTUNITY to succeed in life as a man on equal footing to any other man. And succeed he did.

You ask me whether I think “all people can achieve the same things?” I don’t where you came up with that, though it should be pretty obvious from the words of Jefferson, and from my late grandfather’s story, that all mean should have the opportunity to prove themselves and PURSUE their goals. Whether they actually REACH those goals, is ultimately up to them.

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Does anyone know of this guy, or agree with his statements on racial differences in IQ?

by Sugar Shane in

here are some quotes by the guy, from his youtube channel.

his name is stefan molyneux, and he’s apparently popular among the alt-right crowd.

he’s also widely quoted on these discussion boards, by certain ex-jws, who use him to help promote their political views.

Sugar Shane

I gotta go OCONUS in a couple hrs. Good chatting with you boys. Catch up later. Out

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Does anyone know of this guy, or agree with his statements on racial differences in IQ?

by Sugar Shane in

here are some quotes by the guy, from his youtube channel.

his name is stefan molyneux, and he’s apparently popular among the alt-right crowd.

he’s also widely quoted on these discussion boards, by certain ex-jws, who use him to help promote their political views.

Sugar Shane

Some guys blog is also less credible than published research papers. Sorry, anyone can make a blog - it's not research.

Fair enough, Simon.

Here, from the Center for Evolutionary Psychology. Not a blog:

https://www.cep.ucsb.edu/rushton.html

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Does anyone know of this guy, or agree with his statements on racial differences in IQ?

by Sugar Shane in

here are some quotes by the guy, from his youtube channel.

his name is stefan molyneux, and he’s apparently popular among the alt-right crowd.

he’s also widely quoted on these discussion boards, by certain ex-jws, who use him to help promote their political views.

Sugar Shane

Simon, the article you just linked above, is from: "Thirty Years of Research on Race Differences in Cognitive Ability," by J. Philippe Rushton.

He’s the guy who’s research methods were shot down by Orphancow’s article.

Beyond that, you give a lot of opinions: “I feel like,” or “I think that.” That’s fine, to have opinions, I have mine too. But, when it comes to studies, do you have anything outside of Rushton’s work to go on?

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Does anyone know of this guy, or agree with his statements on racial differences in IQ?

by Sugar Shane in

here are some quotes by the guy, from his youtube channel.

his name is stefan molyneux, and he’s apparently popular among the alt-right crowd.

he’s also widely quoted on these discussion boards, by certain ex-jws, who use him to help promote their political views.

Sugar Shane

cultures are equal, yeah right...

I think blownaway summed it up -- it's culture and how one is raised

Orphancow, thank you for the link to Rushton’s bogus research. Much appreciated. 👍

Differences my arise from a culture one is born into, but not from genetics.

In other words, it’s nuture and not nature.

Sooo, we can therefore agree that statements spewed forth by Alt-right spokesman, Stefan Molyneux, like this one, are just as bogus as Rushton’s claims?:

“...skills and abilities have not been distributed evenly by mother nature between various ethnicities“—Stefan Molyneux, YouTube video, The Impending Collapse of Western Civilization, Nov 15, 2015